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Message #6113. This is a followup to #6098.

Name:Lisa M.
Date:Tuesday May 1, 2007 6:04:00 am MDT
Subject:Re: Jack update
Message:Laughing Owl, that DVD sounds very interesting, as does the posting about foraging (was that you too?) Jack is also a rescue and I know very little about his previous life except that he lived alone with an elderly lady for about 20 years and was alone in her house for awhile after she took sick. He and I had a wonderful bonding session yesterday, albeit through the open door of his cage with him inside. He was playing with my hair and fingers and letting me scritch (love that word) him to my hearts content. He is so afraid of sticks I will have to wait until he decides to step up on my hands. Take care. Lisa




Laughing Owl wrote:
> Lisa: I had a bird training dvd which suggested using sticks or
> perches as extenstions of our hands. Holding one in each hand get the
> birds attention with one, not letting it bite, while trying to stroke
> with the other. Gradually shortening the distance until it became the
> hand itself.
> However, in trying this with Hootie, she also freaked. Hootie is a
> wild rescue and I suspect may have been abused.
> When she first came to us, we hung her cage on a hook in the
> livingrm. to try to keep away from cats. She wouldn't come out and as
> I later discovered the perches or cages should not be above the
> shortest person in the house's head. Other than children for safety
> purposes. When I moved her cage to a stand, it became a different
> world, she came out and wanted attention. I would spend time hand
> feeding her.
> Don't know if this will help, but it's a suggestion from bird
> trainers and myself who is being trained by birds. Good Luck.
>
> Laughing Owl
> Lisa M. wrote:
> > Bruce, thanks for the suggestions, but I may have some trouble
> > implementing them. When I first got Jack and he wouldn't come out
> of
> > his cage, I offered him   a stick inside his cage. He FREAKED so
> > badly I thought he would hurt himself. I thought the stick might
> have
> > been too big or it was too soon or it was inside his cage, which he
> is
> > getting less protective of now. So, on your suggestion I tried
> again
> > last night with a small pencil. Keep in mind he is in his cage so
> I
> > can't take him anywhere else until he is willing to come out
> > regularly. Anyway, I picked up this small brown pencil and he
> started
> > SCREAMING before I walked 2 steps toward him. I immediately put it
> > back and he stopped and started chattering to me in his normal
> voice
> > as I tried to sooth him. I guess he is afraid of sticks! He is
> also
> > afraid of anything black (dish, gloves, shirt, anything). My son
> says
> > he is going to show him a mirror one of these days so he finds out
> his
> > own head is black, but I don't think this is a good idea! What do I
> do
> > now? I am just letting him come out at his own pace, scritching
> > through the bars or outside his cage if he will let me and trying
> to
> > build up trust. I have tried to get him to step up on my finger
> but
> > he tried to bite me...but in reading someone else's posting I
> wonder
> > now if he is just trying to get a grip? I may try to be brave and
> let
> > him go for it. I too love reading all the postings and think you
> guys
> > are great. Keep the suggestions for this and all general care
> coming!
> > Lisa
> > Bruce ByByfieldrote:
> > > LiLisa. wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anyway, he is doing well in general. I give him the option to
> > > leave
> > > > his cage at least for a while every night, but he often
> chooses
> > > not
> > > > to. He will sometimes come to the door and peek out and test
> he
> > > edge
> > > > with his foot, but most of the time scoots back in. He won't
> > step
> > > up
> > > > on my finger, so if he does come out and fly to my shoulder or
> > > head
> > > > it is hard to get him back in...any suggestions?
> > >
> > > You may find it useful to get him ststick-trained- that is, to
> > step
> > > up on a perch when you offer it to him. Not only will it help
> you
> > get
> > > him back into his cage, but it can also be a first step in him
> > > learning to step up on your finger. Just as importantly, stick
> > > training can be vital if you ever need to rescue your bird from
> a
> > > place that you can't easily get to, whether a small corner or a
> > high
> > > branch.
> > >
> > > To stick train your bird, take him to a small room for a couple
> of
> > > ten minute sessions a day. Position the perch so that it is in
> > front
> > > of him and use a command like "Step Up!" If he doesn't respond
> > after
> > > a few times, press the perch again him lightly, and he may step
> up
> > on
> > > it, but don't expect instant success whatever you do. When he
> does
> > > step up, praise him and give him something to eat. Keep
> repeating
> > the
> > > exercise until he consistently steps up.
> > >
> > > After he is comfortable with the perch try doing the same with
> > your
> > > finger. By the time he is stepping up on the perch, he will
> > probably
> > > be starting to trust you, so he should learn to step up on your
> > > finger fairly quickly. You can extend the exercise into a game
> of
> > > climbing an endless ladder in the later stages of training.
> > >
> > > How long your bird will take to be stick trained is hard to say.
> > > However, to give you an idea, I've had birds who learned in a
> > single
> > > session and also ones who took five weeks. On the whole, the
> > wilder
> > > or more abused the bird, the longer training will take.

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