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Message #6018. This is a followup to #6017.

Name:Linda
Date:Thursday April 12, 2007 6:08:40 pm MDT
Subject:Re: Biting/Clipping
Message:Jackbird, thanks so much for the story.

   Soo much can happen to our birds either clipped or unclipped. and as I've said many times and still believe it to be so, clipping is for humans--- to stop aggression, to keep birds in place, to mind their manners, to keep them safe.... the list is endless

Birds were meant to fly, and in truth when birds get aggressive as humans we are poor at understanding "Bird language. They simply must communicate with us somehow.

I too have had close calls with unclipped wings, and in one instance- I lost big, to my regret.. I have much sorrow over losing Lexi in an escape accident after 7 happy years together....

However, I'm not one bit sorry we let him have the gift to fly from room to room and to his favorite human, or to harrass the dog under our watchful supervison.

I'll probably never stop searching the skies for him even though the year, date and place are forever etched in my mind, Oct 1, 2003.

But it is also because of him my family is owned by a flock of 5. All were unwanted, "unloved, and in one case mistreated......

As for other flighted accidents.. Yes, we've had them, but oddly enough only with our first bird so far. ("I'm knocking on wood).

The first accident: Lex flew over a kettle of boiling water. Poor baby! I held him for a long time with a wet luke warm cloth on his little claws before I put him back in his cage.

The second: We had a habit of leaving all doors standing open and Lex loved perching on them. Once in a while we would forget. It's amazing it only happened once in his life, shut the door and it kind of clipped his nails.. "We rushed him to the vet. Dr. gave him a 12 hr. Pain shot. It worked!!

The third: My son was a teenager and very bonded to this precious cockatiel. He taught this cock of the walk to chase after him once in a while, and one evening Lex was on a mission to "get him!" and he hit the ceiling...... He lopped off a bunch of feathers on his comb. "We lived 4 hours from any avian vet, but he let our son hold him which he wouldn't let anyone else and use a compress of cornstartch to stop the bleeding.........

But at the same time, those who clip wings risk
1. If you have cats,,, "easy jumping access is all it will take."
2. Unable to fly means banging and bumping into things easier.
3. Too many unskilled people "Store clerks" are clipping wings improperly putting our little feathered charges at risk.

To me, it's like clipping finger nails too short. And I simply can't see any reason to clip unless of course as someone told me, a bird that has seizures needs much more attention, and closer supervision.

And to anyone on both sides of this argument: it has been said and will continue to be said, that clipping the wings of birds in each individual's care and keeping... "Clipping is a choice." If you are not neglectful, but loving and caring clipping is no issue.

As for store clerks::: I do not think even one should take the sissors to birds. It should be done by a sskilled veterinarian if you ask me...

It is my hope and prayer that people choose to become more educated when it comes to taking a pet bird home so the bird will never become homeless as so many in this world do.

 wrote:
> I too want to add our experience to this. We've had Jack (Nanday) for
> 18 years now. He was "rescued" from a pet store and was basically
> wild. Over the years however both my husband and I developed such a
> strong bond with him and never clipped his wings. And because of that
> we've had some close calls...Ceiling fan encounter (which was taking
> down same day and never put back up) as well as a "joy flight" in the
> wild outdoors...OH MY...that was really NOT fun! Scared us to death!!!
> We were able to coax him back down with his favorite item ...of all
> things the vacuum sweeper! Anyway, we still could not bring ourselves
> to clip the wings because it gave Jack the freedom we felt he is
> entitled to. Then one winter without warning (after 14 years) he bit
> and drew blood on my husband. Again and again this happened within a
> week's time. Then he bit me! We had another close call with him
> getting his beak caught around his open band on his leg and he
> couldn't get out and so my husband was able to pull out his beak and
> so off came the band. So now he would bite and draw blood with our
> ring fingers so we are unable to wear our bands. We thought maybe
> that's why he was biting. But it would not stop. Then I happened to
> read the book "Your out of control bird" and along with tears we
> decided after all these years to clip the wings. We started with 1
> feather each side. That didn't stop the biting so we did a few more
> being careful and following the instruction to not clip to short and
> watching for blood feathers. I must tell you that it was
> heartbreaking to do that to him. But it did stop the biting episodes.
> And the feathers grew back. So even now and then, when the aggression
> starts up (and now we have another feathered friend) we just clip one
> feather but he still is fully capable of flight and it just reminds
> him to be "nice". But again we need to use caution because he is
> flighted and so try to make sure he's safe inside.

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