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Message #5991. This is a followup to #5987.

Name:Lynda
Date:Saturday April 7, 2007 9:14:40 am MDT
Subject:Re: Biting/clipping
Message:I am just putting this out for the new people. My take on clipping
Almost all my birds are free flighted except for just two. The two clipped birds are birds who exhibit aggression towards humans or other birds. If they were not clipped their out time would be very limited. I am a coordinator in a rescue full of birds given up because of aggression problems ( many that we can work through with a good clip) or because the bird was found outside in the wild. We get calls every day from heart broken people who have lost their birds.

No one should be told to clip their birds, no one should be told not to clip.
This is a personal choice based on quite a few things.

1. Is your house secure? Do you have a double door entrance? Are all windows securely screened? Do you have children running in and out?
With a flighted bird you have to be extra careful when cooking, your house poses many more dangers with open containers of fluids ( like vases of flowers or a toilet) , mirrors and windows to fly into and more. Many many a tragedy could have been averted if the bird in the house had been clipped.

2. Does the bird have behavioral problems? If the bird is flying and attacking other people in the house or other pets and birds then the bird needs to be worked with before it is allowed to become flighted. They can be worked through aggression and behavioral problems with time and patience UNLESS they are flighted. I have found aggressive flighted birds about impossible to work with.
Giving your bird wings is an act of trust between you and your bird. The worst punishment in my house that can happen is a light trim because of flock aggression. If I have a bird who is attacking others it gets clipped. Usually once the clip grows out they think twice about attacking the other birds.

The benefits of being flighted is a stronger healthier bird. Flying builds those heart and lung muscles. It gives them loads of self confidence. Clipping also does not assure your bird will never get lost outside. Many a many a person has called crying because their clipped bird flew away. Clipping a birds wings gives the owners a false sense of security and they THINK the bird can't fly until the bird does fly.

Please don't let anyone make you feel guilty for clipping or guilty for leaving your bird flighted. This is a choice for you and you alone to make. Do what makes you comfortable with your bird!

Lynda





Kit wrote:
> I seem to have offended a lot of people by suggesting that you clip
> your bird's wings. This was never my intention. It's a puzzle to me,
> since it was recommended to me by my bird vet. She thinks it's a bad
> idea to let a bird fly around and bite people. She has a wide bird
> practice and several of her own birds. I agree with her.
> I never suggested that you keep your bird in its cage all the time.
> In fact, if your bird's wings were to be clipped, you might find
> yourself giving him/her more time out of cage because you would be
> more in control of the situation.
> I do suggest you read a couple of books - Guide to a Well Behaved
> Parrot and The Second Hand Parrot come to mind. Both are excellent.
> I have three very happy birds who come out of their cages for several
> hours a day and play with us, and on their play gyms, and on the tops
> of their cages. They're pretty athletic, climbing and hanging, and
> generally having a good time. They're in excellent health, despite
> their primaries being trimmed.
> My adopted conure defends me. That negatively affects the quality of
> her life, since few people want to play with her besides me. That's a
> pity, so we are working on changing that behavior in a way that my
> family is prepared to participate in. I hope cuddling your biting
> bird works for you. It may, as long as your daughter isn't present.
> And perhaps in the long run, you may win him/her over.
> I hope so, because a relationship with a bird is wonderful, and like
> nothing else in the world. I've had several birds, through my life,
> with whom I've had close relationships. I wouldn't trade one of those
> relationships for anything. Good luck!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> zi-glitterati wrote:
> > Linda wrote:
> > > zi-glitterati, I'm sorry the worst possible advice you can get
> for
> > > biting is to take the two suggestions that were made to you of
> > > Putting this Nanday in its cage, and clipping its wings!
> > >     
> > >     The issue with the nanday could be two fold.
> > > 1. This ten year old nanday could be hormonal and is "defending
> > your
> > > daughter as mate.
> > > 2. the recent move your daughter made is frightening to him and
> it
> > is
> > > "Fear based biting.
> > >
> > > Just a little advice:
> > > 1. go back on this board- way back into the archives you will
> find
> > > many posts made by our experts, not me. and some links to
> websites
> > > that will help you understand what biting is all about.
> > >
> > > 2. Give the bird credit when credit is due by believing he
> > > understands the words, "No bite!" it actually can be effective.
> > >
> > > Remember a bird's beak is an equivalent of our mouths and it is
> > their                                                              
>
> >           
> > > source of communication with us, and unfortunately it often does
> > mean
> >
> > Linda...
> > Thank you for responding to my posting. You have given me some
> good
> > advice. I do believe that the bird defends my daughter as mate. I
> > have watched him attempt to feed her. HA! I will take your advice
> and
> > go back into the archives and read what others have posted. I
> totally
> > agree with you in regards to clipping a birds wings. I would never
> > allow that to happen. Thanks Again!
> >
> >
> > > some biting.....
> > >
> > > I have also occassionally to sooth a biting bird, cuddled it.
> Now
> > > they rarely bite.
> > >
> > > Clipping wings: is an argument that just can't be won.
> > >
> > > However, I will say this: Clipping wings is for humans not
> birds!!
> > >
> > > birds by their very nature are wild, but our pet parrots are
> > > dependent upon us and it's unfair for us to expect them to
> 'behave
> > > like our human children.
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > My daughter recently moved and could not take her bird, a
> nanday
> > > > conure, with her. I am keeping the bird.   The bird is
> > > approximately
> > > > 10 years old. I love the bird and would like to let him out of
> > his
> > > > cage to fly and get some exercise. He was free to fly around
> the
> > > > first few years and then he began to attack and bite! He took
> a
> > > bite
> > > > out of my face once, and I have been afraid of him since. He
> > seems
> > > to
> > > > protect my daughter and doesn't bite her, but everyone else he
> > > attacks
> > > > and bites. Do you have any suggestions for me. I would
> > appreciate
> > > any
> > > > help or info. Thanks, zi-glitterati

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